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    Richard E

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    Post  Richard E on Sat Aug 14 2010, 20:36

    Mosaic red cocks and one mosaic red hen showing a good mask ideal for breeding cks with big bold masks
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    Post  Guest on Sat Aug 14 2010, 23:06

    very striking mosaics very nice birds how much would agood pair like the ones in the photos cost Richard ? cheers Nigel
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    Post  Richard E on Sun Aug 15 2010, 11:23

    These are some of the best from last years breeding , the hen is special as she is an intensive type bird and you dont get many with tight feathering , most mosaics have broader feathering which gives the whiteness on the bird.
    My foundation stock were about 60 euros each from a chap in france , these birds added to the stock that I already had gelled rearly well and gave me the mask size and good colour points that were lacking.
    Breeding stock in this country can be bought for 20 to 30 pounds each .

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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  ged on Wed Nov 03 2010, 19:12

    quality red mosaic richard
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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  John_Graydon on Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:04

    Richard would you say this is a hen, The guy I got them off said he bred from it this year. But it singing like hell.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:44

    It certainly looks like a hen and some hens do sing.

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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  John_Graydon on Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:50

    Malky wrote:It certainly looks like a hen and some hens do sing.

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    I think it has too much colour around the face, Malky
    Could have a nest full of cocks maybe next year. Might look out for another hen with just the ticks about the eyes so.
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    Post  Richard E on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:15

    looks like a hen to breed good ck birds ,as mall said some hens do sing but nowhere near as hard as a ck , ck birds to breed ( show hens) don't have much of a mask so it could be a ck, not knowing what stud it comes from type 1 or type 2 I cant really say but If it is a hen then it will be a useful bird to have to breed show cks ,and if its a ck bird it will be equally useful paired to a show hen .
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    Post  Richard E on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:18

    Did you take this photo before it moulted as it looks to have white flights and if it bred this year it would have red flights by now .
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    Post  John_Graydon on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:19

    Richard E wrote:looks like a hen to breed good ck birds ,as mall said some hens do sing but nowhere near as hard as a ck , ck birds to breed ( show hens) don't have much of a mask so it could be a ck, not knowing what stud it comes from type 1 or type 2 I cant really say but If it is a hen then it will be a useful bird to have to breed show cks ,and if its a ck bird it will be equally useful paired to a show hen .

    I think t came from gW stud. Im sure he told me that. Will ask him again.
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    Post  Richard E on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:33

    John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it Smile

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    Post  Guest on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:45

    I think that now means i will never have anything in my shed other than reds and rose.

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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  John_Graydon on Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:51

    Richard E wrote:Did you take this photo before it moulted as it looks to have white flights and if it bred this year it would have red flights by now .
    Yes I got them before they fully moulted out.
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    Post  RayC on Thu Nov 04 2010, 11:18

    Richard E wrote:John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it Smile

    sounds like you need to keep a v. large stud to breed this mutation successfully Exclamation Exclamation

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    Post  Guest on Thu Nov 04 2010, 12:18

    RayC wrote:
    Richard E wrote:John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it Smile

    sounds like you need to keep a v. large stud to breed this mutation successfully Exclamation Exclamation

    Wonder what happens to the birds that dont make it show wise.

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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  canarymatt on Thu Nov 04 2010, 14:11

    Ray
    I think you are right about stud size, I have just realized that with the space I have (16 breeding cages) that I dont really have enough room to successfully produce a stud of both type 1 and type 2, going to stick to type 1,
    Mal for me the local pet shop want all they can get.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Nov 04 2010, 14:33

    canarymatt wrote:Ray
    I think you are right about stud size, I have just realized that with the space I have (16 breeding cages) that I dont really have enough room to successfully produce a stud of both type 1 and type 2, going to stick to type 1,
    Mal for me the local pet shop want all they can get.

    Excellent.

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    Post  Richard E on Thu Nov 04 2010, 17:15

    Mal the good thing about clear red mosaics is there is always demand for them at bird auctions, pet shops and from people who want some for a garden avery. They sell for not much less than birds that go to breeders.
    Matt I keep between 12 and 16 clear red mosaic hens to breed cks for the show bench ,as I am trying to establish my strain an only bring in new blood every couple of years (i or 2 birds) I feel that I need this many to keep a couple of lines going that I breed into each other , If you have access to good quality outcrosses then you wouldn't need so many .
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    Post  canarymatt on Thu Nov 04 2010, 19:02

    Richard
    That sounds interesting but a couple of questions.Firstly how many cock would you use with that number of hens and secondly I dont want to sound stupid but can you or somebody explain to me how I go about producing a line or strain.I have read numerous articles on the net but cant seem to get my head around it.
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    Post  Richard E on Thu Nov 04 2010, 20:10

    Matt I breed from about 10 to 12 cks ranging from 1 to 4 years old I have a few pensioners also. I don't know how other people breed their birds to form their own strain but my method is on selecting features that I want to perpetuate i:e depth of colour, mask size ,shape, width of head etc .
    I keep two lines going one line I concentrate on depth of colour and feather quality ,these birds are usually tight feathered over coloured in the body and back I keep about 4 pairs of these I don't expect to get many show birds from these birds but the best specimens are paired into the other line. This is the main stud and is to concentrate on the mosaic pattern and white ness these are broader feathered birds from which I hope to get the best coloured and marked birds . I have found in the past that continued pairing of show birds resulted in feather problems and loss of colour and frosting in the colour points , breeding show mosaics to these intensive coloured birds while you may get more colour at undesirable points feather quality and depth of colour is maintained , hopefully with selection I can breed these intensive coloured birds whiter and then I would not get any undesirable colour .
    I believe that breeders of gloster canaries have similar breeding methods using yellow feathered birds
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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  canarymatt on Thu Nov 04 2010, 21:09

    Richard is your method all within a system of line breeding or is the blood line not important.
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    Post  Richard E on Thu Nov 04 2010, 21:51

    I suppose all my birds are related somewhere along the line and all birds can be traced back to about 4 ck birds , birds are selected on merit not pedigree.

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    Post  phil reds on Sun May 22 2011, 19:20

    useful info as i have found a masked bird witch thought was a ck turned out to be a hen and was told not any good for breeding
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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  Richard E on Sun May 22 2011, 22:35

    Sounds like a usefull bird to breed good cocks .

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    Re: mosaic reds

    Post  Ray Fenlon on Mon May 30 2011, 22:07

    Super information for a new comer to Reds like myself. Thank you all.

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