welcome Assumite

welcome Assumite to the colour canary forum please take the time to introduce yourself

Hello Assumite and welcome to the colour canary forum.


Any questions just ask and I sure one of us will attempt to answer your querry
Just enjoy

Thank you for the welcome. My interest is in Yellow Ground clears, so I guess I need all the help I can get I have an accidental interest in Recessive Whites following some surprise 'outcomes' this season, but they are shaping up into 'decent' surprises, I think.

Assumite wrote:Thank you for the welcome. My interest is in Yellow Ground clears, so I guess I need all the help I can get I have an accidental interest in Recessive Whites following some surprise 'outcomes' this season, but they are shaping up into 'decent' surprises, I think.

I'm glad you have enjoyed what sounds like your first breeding season with coloured canary's.
I'm guessing that some one has given you advice about the recessive whites you have bred

and if I'm right you already know that the parents of the recessive whites if both are yellow are both carrying recessive white.

What ever help you require just ask.

Red Devil

Red devil wrote:I'm glad you have enjoyed what sounds like your first breeding season with coloured canary's.
I'm guessing that some one has given you advice about the recessive whites you have bred
and if I'm right you already know that the parents of the recessive whites if both are yellow are both carrying recessive white.
What ever help you require just ask.
Red Devil

To be honest - it my second season breeding Coloureds - but the first & second were 10 years or so apart, so I am, as far as Coloured Canaries are concerned, very much a beginner. The whites have 'cropped up' out of some (predominantly) Ivory birds & a Yellow 'carrier' which a 'neighbour' (I think ?) of yours was kind enough to let me have last Autumn I knew the 'yellow' hen was a carrier - the Ivory cock came as a surprise to us both

I hoped there might be a few Yellow / Ivory Lipo fanciers in my area to exchange thoughts & perhaps some 'blood' with as time goes on. The 'yellow' carriers I hoped to breed ended up being a 'white' cock & two Recessive White Ivory hens, so I have found myself with out any 'quality' yellow blood to put back into the Ivories.

Having said that - I have a 'plan'....or at least, half a plan to resolve the situation for this season if all goes well. If not, I will 'shout' up.

Welcome to the colour Canary forum assumite.
I hope your cuning plan work for you

Assumite wrote:

Red devil wrote:I'm glad you have enjoyed what sounds like your first breeding season with coloured canary's.
I'm guessing that some one has given you advice about the recessive whites you have bred
and if I'm right you already know that the parents of the recessive whites if both are yellow are both carrying recessive white.
What ever help you require just ask.
Red Devil

To be honest - it my second season breeding Coloureds - but the first & second were 10 years or so apart, so I am, as far as Coloured Canaries are concerned, very much a beginner. The whites have 'cropped up' out of some (predominantly) Ivory birds & a Yellow 'carrier' which a 'neighbour' (I think ?) of yours was kind enough to let me have last Autumn I knew the 'yellow' hen was a carrier - the Ivory cock came as a surprise to us both

I hoped there might be a few Yellow / Ivory Lipo fanciers in my area to exchange thoughts & perhaps some 'blood' with as time goes on. The 'yellow' carriers I hoped to breed ended up being a 'white' cock & two Recessive White Ivory hens, so I have found myself with out any 'quality' yellow blood to put back into the Ivories.

Having said that - I have a 'plan'....or at least, half a plan to resolve the situation for this season if all goes well. If not, I will 'shout' up.

I am very impressed with your minimal time with coloured canary's yet you have all the terms under control.
I also hope your plan comes to fruition as both Clear yellows and yelow ivory's are very thin on the ground in the UK
let alone the Midlands

There are one or two more Recessive White breeders though.

you have all the terms under control.

Hmm, not really - I still think of them as Gold's & Gold Ivories....& usually call them that

Clear yellows and yelow ivory's are very thin on the ground in the UK
let alone the Midlands

Yes, I weighed that up as soon as the Forum let me "in".....I need to borrow Malky's red-tinted specs .....but we have had that discussion already.

There are one or two more Recessive White breeders though.

So I believe....there may be some options there, if they are working with quality yellow's as carriers & end up with a surplus of yellows. I'm not 'anti' White - not at all, a good bird, is a good bird. I wouldn't want them to become the focal point of the Shed, although they are what always attract the casual visitor. I'm not anti-red ground either, I just happen to like yellow ground Colour Canaries - in Lipochrome & 'Self' - I do wish there were more (good) yellow 'black' & 'agates' about to be able to get "into" without having to pay continental premiums.
I am not in any hurry, & hopefully, this might be the place to find them if they do come up - I know folks change 'tack' from time to time, so some may.

Assumite wrote:

you have all the terms under control.

Hmm, not really - I still think of them as Gold's & Gold Ivories....& usually call them that

Clear yellows and yelow ivory's are very thin on the ground in the UK
let alone the Midlands

Yes, I weighed that up as soon as the Forum let me "in".....I need to borrow Malky's red-tinted specs .....but we have had that discussion already.

There are one or two more Recessive White breeders though.

So I believe....there may be some options there, if they are working with quality yellow's as carriers & end up with a surplus of yellows. I'm not 'anti' White - not at all, a good bird, is a good bird. I wouldn't want them to become the focal point of the Shed, although they are what always attract the casual visitor. I'm not anti-red ground either, I just happen to like yellow ground Colour Canaries - in Lipochrome & 'Self' - I do wish there were more (good) yellow 'black' & 'agates' about to be able to get "into" without having to pay continental premiums.
I am not in any hurry, & hopefully, this might be the place to find them if they do come up - I know folks change 'tack' from time to time, so some may.

I do agree with your sentiment about European premiums,
You may have been mislead about Recessive white breeding as you do not need to breed Yellow carrying Recessive White X Recessive White they tend to breed them Recessive White X Recessive White.
I intend purchasing Yellow Agates this year myself but they will be purchased from Europe as you have said there are to many varieties very thin on the ground in the UK, or they are carrying a hiden mutation which is not what I want
I also know of someone that breeds straight Yellow Blacks.
There is a possability that I will get Clear Yellows as well but not sure of my funds at the moment

Red devil wrote: You may have been mislead about Recessive white breeding as you do not need to breed Yellow carrying Recessive White X Recessive White they tend to breed them Recessive White X Recessive White.

I have mislead myself there ! I assumed that is how the 'yellow' hen came about & that it was the 'done' thing every couple of years or so.

Red devil wrote:I intend purchasing Yellow Agates this year myself but they will be purchased from Europe

I have been following the Skyrock 'Blog' & as best I can via Google Translate the discussion re. Northern Type v Southern Type. I am taken with the 'Northern' type.

Red devil wrote:they are carrying a hiden mutation which is not what I want

That is my concern with getting into 'Self's, wherever they are from, given the outlay. Again I have no qualms about developing & working 'forwards' through mutations, with my eyes open, I just don't want to be side-swiped by them.

Red devil wrote:I also know of someone that breeds straight Yellow Blacks.

That is interesting - around "us" or "over there" ?

Red devil wrote:There is a possibility that I will get Clear Yellows as well but not sure of my funds at the moment

I am hoping for confirmation of a previously placed speculative order/request - hence the "scratch" plan. If it comes off we will be on Beans on Toast for a month ( or two) I hope ( & think) it will.....I think my wife hopes it might not