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Richard E
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mosaic reds
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mosaic reds
very striking mosaics very nice birds how much would agood pair like the ones in the photos cost Richard ? cheers Nigel
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
- Post n°3
Re: mosaic reds
These are some of the best from last years breeding , the hen is special as she is an intensive type bird and you dont get many with tight feathering , most mosaics have broader feathering which gives the whiteness on the bird.
My foundation stock were about 60 euros each from a chap in france , these birds added to the stock that I already had gelled rearly well and gave me the mask size and good colour points that were lacking.
Breeding stock in this country can be bought for 20 to 30 pounds each .
My foundation stock were about 60 euros each from a chap in france , these birds added to the stock that I already had gelled rearly well and gave me the mask size and good colour points that were lacking.
Breeding stock in this country can be bought for 20 to 30 pounds each .
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Join date : 2010-11-03
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Re: mosaic reds
quality red mosaic richard
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John_Graydon- Moderator
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Join date : 2010-09-13
Age : 64
Location : Dublin, Ireland
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Re: mosaic reds
John_Graydon- Moderator
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Join date : 2010-09-13
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Re: mosaic reds
Malky wrote:It certainly looks like a hen and some hens do sing.
mal
I think it has too much colour around the face, Malky
Could have a nest full of cocks maybe next year. Might look out for another hen with just the ticks about the eyes so.
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
looks like a hen to breed good ck birds ,as mall said some hens do sing but nowhere near as hard as a ck , ck birds to breed ( show hens) don't have much of a mask so it could be a ck, not knowing what stud it comes from type 1 or type 2 I cant really say but If it is a hen then it will be a useful bird to have to breed show cks ,and if its a ck bird it will be equally useful paired to a show hen .
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
Did you take this photo before it moulted as it looks to have white flights and if it bred this year it would have red flights by now .
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Re: mosaic reds
Richard E wrote:looks like a hen to breed good ck birds ,as mall said some hens do sing but nowhere near as hard as a ck , ck birds to breed ( show hens) don't have much of a mask so it could be a ck, not knowing what stud it comes from type 1 or type 2 I cant really say but If it is a hen then it will be a useful bird to have to breed show cks ,and if its a ck bird it will be equally useful paired to a show hen .
I think t came from gW stud. Im sure he told me that. Will ask him again.
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it
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Re: mosaic reds
I think that now means i will never have anything in my shed other than reds and rose.
mal
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John_Graydon- Moderator
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Re: mosaic reds
Yes I got them before they fully moulted out.Richard E wrote:Did you take this photo before it moulted as it looks to have white flights and if it bred this year it would have red flights by now .
RayC- Posts : 994
Join date : 2009-12-18
Location : limerick, Irl
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Re: mosaic reds
Richard E wrote:John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it
sounds like you need to keep a v. large stud to breed this mutation successfully
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Re: mosaic reds
RayC wrote:Richard E wrote:John , breeding hens with just an eye tick and cks with a full mask together just doesn't work , you might get the odd bird that is good but the chances of breeding good birds will be increased by pairing cks with a mask to hens with a mask and cks with a small mask to hens with an eye tick ,if you don't most will be in-between i.e hens with too much colour on the face and cks with a split in the mask ,as I have said previously treat each type as a separate mutation .The bird in the photo looks a useful specimen and I woudnt be in a hurry to get rid of it
sounds like you need to keep a v. large stud to breed this mutation successfully
Wonder what happens to the birds that dont make it show wise.
mal
canarymatt- Posts : 694
Join date : 2010-04-01
Age : 68
Location : Carmarthen,West Wales
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Re: mosaic reds
Ray
I think you are right about stud size, I have just realized that with the space I have (16 breeding cages) that I dont really have enough room to successfully produce a stud of both type 1 and type 2, going to stick to type 1,
Mal for me the local pet shop want all they can get.
I think you are right about stud size, I have just realized that with the space I have (16 breeding cages) that I dont really have enough room to successfully produce a stud of both type 1 and type 2, going to stick to type 1,
Mal for me the local pet shop want all they can get.
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Re: mosaic reds
canarymatt wrote:Ray
I think you are right about stud size, I have just realized that with the space I have (16 breeding cages) that I dont really have enough room to successfully produce a stud of both type 1 and type 2, going to stick to type 1,
Mal for me the local pet shop want all they can get.
Excellent.
mal
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
Mal the good thing about clear red mosaics is there is always demand for them at bird auctions, pet shops and from people who want some for a garden avery. They sell for not much less than birds that go to breeders.
Matt I keep between 12 and 16 clear red mosaic hens to breed cks for the show bench ,as I am trying to establish my strain an only bring in new blood every couple of years (i or 2 birds) I feel that I need this many to keep a couple of lines going that I breed into each other , If you have access to good quality outcrosses then you wouldn't need so many .
Matt I keep between 12 and 16 clear red mosaic hens to breed cks for the show bench ,as I am trying to establish my strain an only bring in new blood every couple of years (i or 2 birds) I feel that I need this many to keep a couple of lines going that I breed into each other , If you have access to good quality outcrosses then you wouldn't need so many .
canarymatt- Posts : 694
Join date : 2010-04-01
Age : 68
Location : Carmarthen,West Wales
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Re: mosaic reds
Richard
That sounds interesting but a couple of questions.Firstly how many cock would you use with that number of hens and secondly I dont want to sound stupid but can you or somebody explain to me how I go about producing a line or strain.I have read numerous articles on the net but cant seem to get my head around it.
Thanks
That sounds interesting but a couple of questions.Firstly how many cock would you use with that number of hens and secondly I dont want to sound stupid but can you or somebody explain to me how I go about producing a line or strain.I have read numerous articles on the net but cant seem to get my head around it.
Thanks
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
Matt I breed from about 10 to 12 cks ranging from 1 to 4 years old I have a few pensioners also. I don't know how other people breed their birds to form their own strain but my method is on selecting features that I want to perpetuate i:e depth of colour, mask size ,shape, width of head etc .
I keep two lines going one line I concentrate on depth of colour and feather quality ,these birds are usually tight feathered over coloured in the body and back I keep about 4 pairs of these I don't expect to get many show birds from these birds but the best specimens are paired into the other line. This is the main stud and is to concentrate on the mosaic pattern and white ness these are broader feathered birds from which I hope to get the best coloured and marked birds . I have found in the past that continued pairing of show birds resulted in feather problems and loss of colour and frosting in the colour points , breeding show mosaics to these intensive coloured birds while you may get more colour at undesirable points feather quality and depth of colour is maintained , hopefully with selection I can breed these intensive coloured birds whiter and then I would not get any undesirable colour .
I believe that breeders of gloster canaries have similar breeding methods using yellow feathered birds
I keep two lines going one line I concentrate on depth of colour and feather quality ,these birds are usually tight feathered over coloured in the body and back I keep about 4 pairs of these I don't expect to get many show birds from these birds but the best specimens are paired into the other line. This is the main stud and is to concentrate on the mosaic pattern and white ness these are broader feathered birds from which I hope to get the best coloured and marked birds . I have found in the past that continued pairing of show birds resulted in feather problems and loss of colour and frosting in the colour points , breeding show mosaics to these intensive coloured birds while you may get more colour at undesirable points feather quality and depth of colour is maintained , hopefully with selection I can breed these intensive coloured birds whiter and then I would not get any undesirable colour .
I believe that breeders of gloster canaries have similar breeding methods using yellow feathered birds
canarymatt- Posts : 694
Join date : 2010-04-01
Age : 68
Location : Carmarthen,West Wales
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Re: mosaic reds
Richard is your method all within a system of line breeding or is the blood line not important.
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
- Post n°22
Re: mosaic reds
I suppose all my birds are related somewhere along the line and all birds can be traced back to about 4 ck birds , birds are selected on merit not pedigree.
phil reds- Posts : 5
Join date : 2011-05-19
Age : 63
- Post n°23
Re: mosaic reds
useful info as i have found a masked bird witch thought was a ck turned out to be a hen and was told not any good for breeding
Richard E- Posts : 626
Join date : 2009-09-22
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Re: mosaic reds
Sounds like a usefull bird to breed good cocks .
Ray Fenlon- Posts : 64
Join date : 2011-02-20
Age : 71
Location : Dublin.12
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Re: mosaic reds
Super information for a new comer to Reds like myself. Thank you all.
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