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    Richard E

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    Red ivory canary

    Post  Richard E on Sun Oct 03 2010, 16:49

    When did the lovely light pink rose change to the red ivory that seems to be on the show bench these days , this dark shade of I hesitate to call it pink as I would describe it as wet plaster is not a patch on what used to be shown , anyone else have a view on what a red ivory colour should be .

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    Post  Guest on Sun Oct 03 2010, 20:16

    Richard E wrote:When did the lovely light pink rose change to the red ivory that seems to be on the show bench these days , this dark shade of I hesitate to call it pink as I would describe it as wet plaster is not a patch on what used to be shown , anyone else have a view on what a red ivory colour should be .

    I can also remember what a rose looked like and its not the same now, remember how the judges would say what colour is a rose and remark how awkward it was to judge and then by just changing the name to red ivory it all became crystal clear, Ive seen ivory on an elephant but ive never seen ivory that is red, the judges decide what will be and the other fancier will have no say.

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    Post  Richard E on Sun Oct 03 2010, 20:42

    Out of the two feather types I now think that the non intensive birds look better because the frosting lightens the bird ,the true rose colour is the same as the wild roses that you see in the hedge rows , the difference now is best described using the wet and dry plaster colour comparison. Wet plaster is dark and dull, dry plaster is light and brighter with a shine. Sorry for all you non builders but this is the best comparison that I can come up with .
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    Post  BlueCobalt on Sun Oct 03 2010, 23:26

    Think the plaster analogy is very good. Its not just the judges, its also the quest for the 50 points for colour, and many will breeders will argue that todays birds are better. Sometimes judges too throw out the occasional bird (two years ago at HCZ) I did this after also consulting with GW who agreed it was a poor Red specimen. It is difficult from both sides, but moreover we should all have a standard we know is achievable, sustainable, and identifiable!!
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    Post  Richard E on Mon Oct 04 2010, 18:04

    Getting pink darker and darker will gradually go a red shade , then as you have said poor coloured reds will then be in the frame ,if a definite light pink colour was chosen then there could be no dispute.
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    Post  BlueCobalt on Mon Oct 04 2010, 19:31

    Think you should lobby the CCBA Rich!! Wouldnt disagree but you will get which shade of Pink do we aim for and everyone will have a different standpoint! cheers

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    Post  Guest on Mon Oct 04 2010, 19:42

    BlueCobalt wrote:Think you should lobby the CCBA Rich!! Wouldnt disagree but you will get which shade of Pink do we aim for and everyone will have a different standpoint! cheers

    That was why i couldnt understand how by changing the name to a colour that doesnt exist the pink problem was solved.

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    Re: Red ivory canary

    Post  John_Graydon on Mon Oct 04 2010, 19:48

    We here in Southern Ireland call & Show them Pastels.
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    Post  BlueCobalt on Mon Oct 04 2010, 19:55

    Believe me things are never solved!! Sometimes forgotten. So who do you think is guilty for the wet plaster colour then!! albino
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    Post  Richard E on Tue Oct 05 2010, 18:30

    Dont know when the shade deepend but the intensive birds colour is not attractive , Mal have you not heard of pink elephants Laughing red ivory

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    Post  Guest on Tue Oct 05 2010, 19:36

    Richard E wrote:Dont know when the shade deepend but the intensive birds colour is not attractive , Mal have you not heard of pink elephants Laughing red ivory

    Heard of pink elephants but still never seen red ivory, I know this may sound a bit much but i have a colour that i like if i can find a judge who agrees with me then short term i have cracked it, at the end of the day we trust our judges to judge which they do if they dont like your rose change em or dont show em.

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    Post  Richard E on Tue Oct 05 2010, 20:06

    I thought about getting a line of red ivories going to go along with my reds but aren't sure now if I want to breed birds to that colour , might have to show just the non intensive. Who desides what the colour should be is this agreed at the judges conventions.
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    Post  BlueCobalt on Tue Oct 05 2010, 21:15

    It is indeed debated, I would lobby Alan Mason the chairman as a point of discussion at the next convention, or mail John Woolford for him to put your point across!!

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    Post  Simes on Wed Oct 06 2010, 20:09

    Having watched this post with interest,and having bred the Rose for a number of years I feel i must make the following comments .I love the colour of the Rose we have now.The deeper pink the better.As for talking about how deep it should be I think this has had more discussions at judging conventions than just about any other topic.Mal the name changed with all the other changes and was done purely to come in line with europe and the rest of the world ,or so we were told. I personally voted against the name change and still struggle to call it anything else other than the Rose.The irish however call them pastels the americans rose ivory.A well known judge told me once that the rose has always been this shade of pink since the introduction of carophyll red and I personally cant remember them being any different.So each to his own but give me the deep colour any day. affraid
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    Re: Red ivory canary

    Post  Dennis on Wed Oct 06 2010, 21:27

    I totally agree with you Simes, Times changes an so do every thing else, weather you like it or not. I like the ROSE with a deep colour, but I do like the non intensive better than the intensive.

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    Post  Guest on Wed Oct 06 2010, 21:50

    The Irish are calling the rose the name i was familiar with when i started keeping coloureds, rose pastels, i believe but cant remember for sure the name change came about because we had melanin pastels.

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    Post  BlueCobalt on Thu Oct 07 2010, 21:16

    Believe that is why the Ivory colour has improved, I remember back in the 80`s the Apricots were really PINK by todays standards, the Red Orange were to all intense and purpose a description of their name ORANGE! The Ivory were PINK.
    The factor for me to compliment the colour of today is that beautiful Ivory feather quality, and Simes has a idea that I love a good well frosted Non Intensive example!!

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