Red Ivory Rubinos

Will try to post a picture over the weekend, but couldnt believe it! Looked in the nest of Red Ivorys today and not one but two PROPER red eyed youngsters, they look to all intense and purpose to be clear satinetes, mum and dad feeding them well, so if they manage to get to weaning stage they will be definite hens!!

BlueCobalt wrote:Will try to post a picture over the weekend, but couldnt believe it! Looked in the nest of Red Ivorys today and not one but two PROPER red eyed youngsters, they look to all intense and purpose to be clear satinetes, mum and dad feeding them well, so if they manage to get to weaning stage they will be definite hens!!

Are you sure or are both parents carrying a recessive gene

You know what you said earlier in the breeding season about expectation when red eyed chicks turn up

Yes but these are proper eyes, not like nialls that could not be seen, will take a picture tomorrow or Monday as should be fully open then!

BlueCobalt wrote:Yes but these are proper eyes, not like nialls that could not be seen, will take a picture tomorrow or Monday as should be fully open then!

You know me butty if you give it expect it back

Well like I said at the time, if you can't see it (eye colour) how can you make a judgement!
At least my findings are based on fact not guesswork!

BlueCobalt wrote:Well like I said at the time, if you can't see it (eye colour) how can you make a judgement!
At least my findings are based on fact not guesswork!

Ah yes but you are guessing though as you don't know for sure if it's a sex linked recessive
or just a recessive requiring both parents to have a least a gene each

Afraid not! No guessing here, know 100%, but will keep you guessing!

Afraid not! No guessing here, know 100%, but will keep you guessing!

BlueCobalt wrote:Afraid not! No guessing here, know 100%, but will keep you guessing!

How can you be 100% ????
How far back can you go for both parents ????
And who's to say that they haven't been carring a hiden gene in the stud from before you got then ?????


I remember many years ago when I was just a novice purchasing a pair of mosaic red isabel pastels.
As luck would have it I lost the cock bird
Not having anything else in the shed suitable to pair the hen to I searched the country and
all that I could find was a mosaic red brown split for isabel/pastel
Right this is where it gets interesting both birds came from the opposite end of the country.

I had a very good breeding season with the pair and breed about 6 - 8 youngsters can't remember exact number
once the chicks had moulted they left me a little confused as I had expected to breed
Mosic red brown's
mosaic red brown /iasbel pastel's

But what I actually got was
mosiac red isabel pastel's
mosaic red phaeo [ which when shown at one took best novice phaeo]
mosic red brown topaz.

Hope this helps you Bluecobalt

Well let's just say the breeder the red ivorys came from has confirmed what I suspected, think I will take my steer from him as he has been breeding his stud for over 20 years! So now know I have two rubino hens in the nest, and could be shown here also as I believe we do not look at eye colour!

Blue, just so im getting the correct drift, in the old terminology you have two red eyed rose Lipochrome chicks or have i got it wrong

Correct Malky 2- lipochrome rose red eyed chicks (satinette red) will post in a moment for others to see, Rubino I believe they call them over the water!!

BlueCobalt wrote:Correct Malky 2- lipochrome rose red eyed chicks (satinette red) will post in a moment for others to see, Rubino I believe they call them over the water!!

Was that the reason for pairing self to clear somewhere along the line.

Malky do you mean me? No my pairing red ivory lipochrome x red ivory lipochrome, abroad they created a red bird with red eyed rubino, not that it really floats my boat, but you get what you got! I know many clear breeders abroad dabble in rubinos, therefore I am led to believe inheritance is the same as Satinette so the cock can be split, hen normal and then can throw females with red eyes! I am sure others may know more? Think he could also produce normal hens too?

BlueCobalt wrote:Malky do you mean me? No my pairing red ivory lipochrome x red ivory lipochrome, abroad they created a red bird with red eyed rubino, not that it really floats my boat, but you get what you got! I know many clear breeders abroad dabble in rubinos, therefore I am led to believe inheritance is the same as Satinette so the cock can be split, hen normal and then can throw females with red eyes! I am sure others may know more? Think he could also produce normal hens too?

I like your optimism Lets hope your right

BlueCobalt wrote:Malky do you mean me? No my pairing red ivory lipochrome x red ivory lipochrome, abroad they created a red bird with red eyed rubino, not that it really floats my boat, but you get what you got! I know many clear breeders abroad dabble in rubinos, therefore I am led to believe inheritance is the same as Satinette so the cock can be split, hen normal and then can throw females with red eyes! I am sure others may know more? Think he could also produce normal hens too?

No Blue i didnt mean you i meant somewhere down the line (should have said that in the first place)so in all intents and purposes they are just red ivory with red eyes? an interesting point, when the new dimorphic first appeared my late partner bred some young with red eyes what would these have been called??

Malky same nowadays, mosaic rubino, Geoff will know better, but am guessing they used red agate satinettes ( visually clear birds anyhow!) in the early days! As I say they don't do it for me visually, perhaps they will grow on me, at least I know they are two hens should they live to maturity!

BlueCobalt wrote:Malky same nowadays, mosaic rubino, Geoff will know better, but am guessing they used red agate satinettes ( visually clear birds anyhow!) in the early days! As I say they don't do it for me visually, perhaps they will grow on me, at least I know they are two hens should they live to maturity!

Hardly seems worth the trouble when all it appears to produce is red eyed birds, as you say it does nothing for me either. In this case pointless experimentation, the only plus as i see it is instant identification of hen birds which is very helpful,will be interesting to see how many (if any) normal red ivory hens are produced in the same nests.

Malky wrote:

BlueCobalt wrote:Malky same nowadays, mosaic rubino, Geoff will know better, but am guessing they used red agate satinettes ( visually clear birds anyhow!) in the early days! As I say they don't do it for me visually, perhaps they will grow on me, at least I know they are two hens should they live to maturity!

Hardly seems worth the trouble when all it appears to produce is red eyed birds, as you say it does nothing for me either. In this case pointless experimentation, the only plus as i see it is instant identification of hen birds which is very helpful,will be interesting to see how many (if any) normal red ivory hens are produced in the same nests.

I believe the reason they are bred is to increase the number of classes they can enter clears in.
As Rubino's go in a different class on the continent.

Only 26 entered last year in red, red ivory int & non, so don't think it's the only reason, more as Malky said someone experimenting! Perhaps another trend and the ability to charge more??
Don't know if they charge more for rubino?

BlueCobalt wrote:Only 26 entered last year in red, red ivory int & non, so don't think it's the only reason, more as Malky said someone experimenting! Perhaps another trend and the ability to charge more??
Don't know if they charge more for rubino?

If its different only by a little the fools will line up to buy.

Malky wrote:

BlueCobalt wrote:Only 26 entered last year in red, red ivory int & non, so don't think it's the only reason, more as Malky said someone experimenting! Perhaps another trend and the ability to charge more??
Don't know if they charge more for rubino?

If its different only by a little the fools will line up to buy.

I'm sure your right Malky

Any pic of these birds yet Simon.

I am a bit lost as to how you know they are hens, how would you also know they are Robino,s if the eye,s not open yet?

Joe, good to see you still around! Will post pics tonight as need to download, eyes are open now but like Satinette could easily tell before as bright red!

joe90 wrote:Any pic of these birds yet Simon.

I am a bit lost as to how you know they are hens, how would you also know they are Robino,s if the eye,s not open yet?

This is where looking at any chicks at day old can tell you a lot.
The first thing I do is look at the eye colour as this can tell you what you that you
have something different.
different mutations have different eye colours at day old and can be seen through the flesh covering the eye.
Phaeo
Satinette
Isabel
Brown
to name but a few
All have different characteristics and different eye colours either at hatching or at adult hood.

So the more you observe from hatching the greater understanding you will have about the mutation you keep.